Dec 2, 2012; Chicago, IL, USA; Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Marshall (15) runs the ball past Seattle Seahawks free safety Earl Thomas (29) during the second half at Soldier Field. The Seahawks beat the Bears 23-17 in overtime. Mandatory Credit: Rob Grabowski-USA TODAY Sports

Are the Chicago Bears A Dark Horse Threat to Seattle?


There is a long way to go until anybody can know for sure, but can the Chicago Bears be considered a quiet threat to the champion Seahawks?

Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery perfect antithesis to Seahawks secondary

To identify and then justify the Bears are a legitimate threat to the world champs, it’s important to find out how the teams matchup.  It’s not hard to say that Seattle found their amazing success last year through their defense, specifically their overpowering secondary headlined by All-Pros Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas.  One of the most imposing aspects of the group, aside from their talent, is their size.  Sherman is 6’3″.  Fellow corner Byron Maxwell is 6’1″ and strong safety Kam Chancellor is 6’3″ as well.  It’s no wonder that most teams are intimidated by them.  Chicago on the other hand has no reason to be.

Of all the offenses around the NFL, they have fully embraced the idea of big athletes.  Headlined by Pro Bowlers Brandon Marshall (6’4″) and Alshon Jeffery (6’3″), the Chicago Bears offense averages out to over 6’3″ in height.  That includes 6’6″ tight end Martellus Bennett and 6’2″ running back Matt Forte.  So the idea of Seattle leaning on its height advantage is gone.  So what about straight skill?

In head-to-head matchups, Richard Sherman and Brandon Marshall have met one time in their career and it’s probably a time Sherman would like to forget.  That day Marshall abused him and the Seahawks secondary for 165 yards on 10 catches.  Bear in mind that was done without Jeffery drawing away coverage on the other side.  So Marshall, who is actually an inch taller and 35 lbs heavier, has no reason to fear Sherman.  The same goes for Jeffery against Maxwell.

Defense better built to handle Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch

The key for the Chicago Bears in any idea of competing against the Seattle Seahawks rests with their rebuilt defense.  Seattle has a strong core of talent on the offensive side headlined by Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch, both of whom would present a nightmare to the Bears unit that finished 2013 ranked dead last allowed 160 yards per game on the ground.  However, recent changes to the roster hint at improvement in that area.

One notable fact is that the Bears have gotten considerably bigger up front both at defensive end and defensive tackle.  Thanks to the addition of Lamarr Houston (300 lbs) at left end and arrival of big rookie Ego Ferguson (315 lbs) at tackle, Chicago now boasts an average defensive line weight of 290 lbs.  That is over five pounds heavier from a season ago.  It might not sound like much, it is actually quite considerable and typically hints that a team is not only bigger but stronger up front.  That will be crucial against the power attack of Seattle led by Lynch.

The second part is what Chicago is do at linebacker.  Based on recent draft moves and also a roster tweak, the team has invested a great deal of speed into their corps headlined by second-year man Jon Bostic (4.6/40) and former defensive end Shea McClellin (4.5/40).  Together with the ageless Lance Briggs the Bears have the required foot speed to chase down a gifted scrambler like Russell Wilson, something they weren’t able to do the last time they saw him in 2012.

No matter how once slices it, on a pure physical basis from the trenches to the skill positions, the Chicago Bears are talented enough to match up with the world champion Seattle Seahawks.  Whether that makes them a dark horse for a Super Bowl run will be answered in the months to come.

Tags: Alshon Jeffery Brandon Marshall Chicago Bears Featured Marshawn Lynch Popular Russell Wilson

  • trinity

    I would take Chicago’s offense over Seattle, no question. But whether or not they’re a legitimate threat is hard to say now. It depends on the defense and the QB. Cutler has elite physical talent, but he has to stay healthy, and not make as many mistakes as usual. and the defense has to be top 15 in my opinion. not elite, just at least solid.

    • Erik Lambert

      That has been established since the beginning of the year. Be great on offense and good enough on defense.

      • trinity

        I’m more confident in the defense doing thier part than Jay Cutler doing his, but we’ll see.

        • Erik Lambert

          Let’s be fair. Jay played really well in money games last year. He rebounded to lead comebacks against Cincinnati, Minnesota and Cleveland. He was on target all day against Green Bay and rose to occasion in Pittsburgh. I think people hold it against him for the injuries, which really isn’t fair. I actually have more faith in him than the defense at this point.

          • trinity

            He definitely isn’t sorry, and he has his moments. But he still makes too many mistakes for them to get anywhere with him if he doesn’t clean up his habits. I don’t hold it against him for the injuries. It’s not his fault that he gets hurt often. But it’s just one of those things you have to hope changes for them to be as successful as they can be. If he was newer, then I would be more confident. But since he’s a vet now, I fear that he is what he is. I want him to succeed. Lol not because I like him, but because I want them to beat the packers.

          • Erik Lambert

            I don’t care if he makes mistakes. Every quarterback does. I care about WHEN he makes his mistakes. Turning the ball over or going three and out when the team needs a drive won’t cut it. Tony Romo has that nightmare well covered. Yes, Jay is a vet, but that doesn’t mean he can’t continue to grow. Keep in mind he’s finally playing in the same offensive system two years in a row. That alone will help.

          • trinity

            Yeah, it really should help. We’ll see what he’s got this season.

          • David

            On top of being in a quarterback friendly offense finally. The only time he wad in the same offense twice in Chicago was with Martz and we had a horrid line with continuous 7 step drops. It was almost as if Martz was trying to break Cutler back. He wouldn’t change either and that is why he is no longer coaching. Martz is who put the ghosts in Cutlers head for a couple years after he left. And who wouldn’t have them after that style of offense. It only works when you have protection and Jay had none.

          • millerforrest

            Keep in mind Jay Cutler is 9 months older than Aaron Rodgers!

          • John Mortimore

            Though injuries are technically a part of the game and are going to happen, he should be less prone to them because of the tools he has around him. Look at his first couple years as a Bear, he didn’t have anything in front of him protecting him, hence all the hits and pain being inflicted on him. He still stuck it out as long as he could. The d everyone is worried about is not the same one that was in place last year. It will be a complete turn around.

          • trinity

            Like I said, it’s not his fault that he gets hurt. It’s just that, regardless of fault, it’s something that can’t keep happening if he’s going to win anything significant. Hopefully nothing happens this year, because I want them to take down the packers. I absolutely agree that the defense will be significantly better this season. They have a shot.

    • KWS13

      DEN scored 10 more ppg than CHI, and even though they had an “off day” they were held to 8 points in the SB. So if we do fun unrealistic math that means CHI would score -2 points against SEA on an off day. Obviously ridiculous, I get it, but worth mentioning

      • John Mortimore

        Chicago was also working with a first year offense that worked together, as well as a first year head coach that actually knew what he was doing. Not to mention the fact of the changes on the D side of the ball. Last year they were a different team, and this year, a MUCH different team, they have the same offense that has been working together for a full season as well as working together for a major portion of the offseason. Add that along with a major overhaul of the D, and other teams should worry. I’m not saying that they are or aren’t going to beat Seattle, but don’t be surprised. As I mentioned, they are a very different team from last year with new weapons, and a very strong offense, with a coach that deserves a lot of respect for what he had built last year. Oh and the 10 more points per game crack, Denver had a defense, Chicago, not so much, so now with a defense, which way do you think it is going to tip?

        • KWS13

          Chicago is a good team, I was simply stating that either based on field performances or basic stats, things seem to be leaning towards SEA. I have respect for CHI and are one of the few teams I actually root for since I don’t like the packers, so if this game ever does happen I’d be excited to see how it shakes out

          • David

            What you just said was Eric’s argument from the get go. You go through all these scenarios arguing that he is wrong and end your comments with basically what Eric what saying to begin with. All he said was that our of all the teams or there that Chicago COULD be a team that poses problems for them and explains why. I, by the way, agree 100 percent.

          • KWS13

            What I meant was yes they are a good team, no I don’t think with SEAs defense and improved offense CHI could pose a real threat even with their offense and a revamped defense, but my opinion could change if the defensive tweaks all work well and Jay Cutler can continue his success from last year when he was healthy and be consistent. I honestly hope that happens, but at this time I don’t know how strong they will really be with other competitors in the NFC that are more consistent and balanced like SF, NO, GB when healthy an maybe ARI, and SEA still seems to be ahead of them if their offense improves as I and many others expects it to

    • millerforrest

      Chicago has ZERO quality depth on offense at QB, RB, WR & OL. They better not suffer any injuries to QB, RB or WR.

  • Washington State

    What a ridiculous arguement, “They are comparable in size, so they could win”? Or, “The d-line is 5 lbs heavier?” What a joke. It could have been an article if there was some analysis comparing how particular players perform against oponeents of varying sizes.

    • Erik Lambert

      I’m pretty sure I did that when I explained the game Marshall had against Sherman in 2012. But if it’s further argument you want, what about Andre Johnson putting up 110 yards on him last year? Or maybe Dez Bryant notching 73 against him in 2011? The point seemed pretty clear without the technical stuff. Sherman is a good corner but he’s not dominant when the size is equal.

      • KWS13

        Watching Sherman since he was drafted makes it pretty obvious that not only has he gotten substantially better year after year, but especially in this last year people have been throwing to him less and less, even since the Chicago meeting. My point is when they met Sherman wasn’t a top 5 or top 3 CB, but he is now. Also, to counter the Andre Johnson argument as well as the others, Sherman NEVER lines up against specifically the #1 WR, he lines up on the left side, so as far as I remember in the Houston game since SEA had Sherman and a healthy/ well playing Browner against Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins they just lined up on sides and I’m pretty sure that Johnson only caught 1 or 2 passes in that game against him, and same goes for most other high producing WR SEA faces. The last time Sherman lined up against a specific WR was week 2 against San Fran w/ Michael Crabtree out, he lined up against Anquan Boldin the whole game and held him to 1 catch for 7 yards following a 13 catch 208 yard game. Also it is worth noting that in the 3 games you mentioned (Dallas 2011, Chicago 2012 and Houston 2013) the Seahawks won all if them???

        • Erik Lambert

          I’m well aware Seattle won those games but I’m also aware that wasn’t the argument. The argument was how Sherman performed against receivers of #1 quality. The fact show he’s not consistent. Sometimes he does well but others he gets beat. That proves neither he nor the Seattle secondary is infallible.

          And to your Megatron argument, the Lions won that game by the way.

          • KWS13

            Good point about DET game, i had forgotten about that honestly, however if we leave out whether or not they won those games, Sherman still rarely lines up against opposing #1 WRs but when he does he play well, those players given as examples didn’t ace Sherman the whole game and thus he can’t take the blame for how they performed when those WRs could’ve gotten 90% of their yards against Walter Thurmond, Brandon Browner or whoever was the #2/3 CB. If SEA had Sherman go against Marshall the whole game and Byron Maxwell against Jeffery then I believe Marshall would only get 4-5 targets in the game. Peyton Manning targeted Sherman 3 times in the SB, so I just don’t see Jay Cutler being comfortable enough to throw the ball to Marshall, let alon possess the skill to be relatively successful based on Sherman’s limited record lining up against specific WRs

          • Erik Lambert

            Clearly you underestimate the Cutler-Marshall connection. Jay would throw to him if B.Marsh was covered by the Gods of Olympus.

          • KWS13

            Not underestimating, but most QBs have a pretty solid connection with their #1 WRs, and when Sherman has to line up against them specifically he performs well

      • Truhawk

        The Bears moved Marshall around in that game, and he had more success against Brandon Browner than Sherman. Same withJohnson and Bryant. Singling out Sherman for all those yards is just plain wrong, and reeks of bias. Good receivers are going to get their yards most Sundays…but if you look at the season in whole you’ll find much less reason to slam Sherman and the LOB. But they welcome all challenges! Bring it on Bears!

        • Duke BigSnacks Macias

          The Bears didn’t move Brandon at all ….. I just watched the game film.

          • Erik Lambert

            Then I rest my case.

  • http://twitter.com/kumerle Kenneth Kumerle

    Packers all the way

    • zak Ohler

      Hit yourself.

      • Rocky Dastaley

        with a hammer.

  • KWS13

    Denver tried to match up with SEAs size with Decker, D Thomas and J Thomas in the SB, didn’t go so well for then

    • Erik Lambert

      Different offense. The entire basis of the Denver offense is precision and timing. Playing physical against that sort of attack on the outside disrupts everything. The Trestman offense incorporates similar faculties but his system is less reliant on it, instead opting for matchups and good decision-making rather than the breakneck attack style the Broncos played with. History shows when attack offenses can’t attack, they become useless. Seattle knew that and took advantage. The Bears are much similar to the scheme the Seahawks saw in Indianapolis where Andrew Luck picked them apart in the second half.

      • KWS13

        I get that my point was size alone doesn’t give a team an advantage over SEA. As for the Indianapolis game, the team in general played really poorly in the second half, but the killer was when TY Hilton beat out Browner and Thomas for a 70 yard touchdown. That was the only time I’ve seen that team domaralized. All around tha game was a defensive anomaly, and while I normally would chalk that one play up as Browner slipping, Hilton burned Thomas too with pure speed. Does Marshall or even Jeffery have that top notch speed? Maybe Jeffery could come close, but it’s also worth mentioning that SEA was set up to lose that game from the start, with Bruce Irvin back into the lineup at LB who was unprepared but that’s more of a personal opinion since I never liked switch to LB and Malcolm Smith was playing well, and MLB Bobby Wagner getting hurt early in the game and Browner who was struggling during that stretch of the season and did not match up well AT ALL. The offense sputtered after doing well which was expected after going into the game without Percy Harvin (who everyone always forgets is back this year) and missing pro bowl left tackle, all pro center and decent RT. They still scored 28 points so I can’t rely on that reasoning, but without a sputtering 2nd half offense SEA would likely put that game away before defense fell apart. Assuming these teams were fully healthy I think CHI would have trouble handling SEA, and I think that if SEA could deal with their defense then Chicago would have to over rely on the passing game which would play right into SEAs hands

        • Erik Lambert

          Well, it’s clear this is getting us nowhere. I respectfully disagree with your assessment. Seattle’s secondary is the best in football, but like any other unit they always have that one group they falter against in the right matchup. I firmly believe the Bears are that matchup. So until we actually see them play each other, this debate could go on all night. Let’s just settle on you standing in your corner and me standing in mine.

          • KWS13

            Fair enough, I will end by saying that I think SEAs secondary lines up well with CHI, and you pointed out that SEA wouldn’t have size advantage they normally have, but simply put CHI wouldn’t have the size advantage they usually have

      • millerforrest

        Good decisions? With Jay “I throw too many INTs” Cutler? Look what the Bears backup QB did while Cutler was out…..13 TDs and 1 INT vs Cutlers 19 TDs and 12 INTs….plus McCown had a 20 point higher QBR. But the Bears expect Jay to make “good” decisions? LOL

        • Erik Lambert

          Yet another person who reads into the interceptions as “all Jay’s fault.” Marc Trestman himself said over half the interceptions he threw last year were the right throws to make but either a wrong route by the receiver or a hit from a pass rusher caused a poor throw, resulting in the pick. Oh, but clearly a Packer fan who didn’t even watch the games knows the situation.

          As to your McCown argument,he started five games in 2013. Four of them were against the Packers (24th ranked pass defense), Rams (19th), Vikings (23rd) and Cowboys (32nd). That’s not even counting his relief appearance against the Redskins (20th). Brett Favre could’ve thrown just one interception against those groups.

          • millerforrest

            Interceptions are interceptions. QBs get the blame for any & all INTs. Last time I knew, Packers (divisional), Rams, Vikings (divisional) and Cowboys are all NFL teams. Not every defense can be ranked #1 just like only ONE team of 32 can WIN the Super Bowl.
            And yet another Bears fan (Erik Lambert) who defends Jay “I throw a lot of INTs” Cutler. When will the insanity stop? Cutler makes bad decisions and bad throws. Plain & simple. Cutler is NOT an ELITE NFL QB like Rodgers, Manning, Brees & Brady.
            Always excuses for the Bears. Funny how when Rodgers was the MOST sacked QB, he still had tremendous numbers and low INTs yet HIGH QBR. Please tell me when Rodgers had such an elite WR like Marshall to throw the ball too? Rodgers makes ALL his WRs better. Cutler doesn’t.
            Its still fascinating….that Packers defense you talked down about, did a decent job vs Chicago in Chicago although missing many key starters. How did Cutler do? oh yeah, he lost AGAIN to the Packers. What is he, 1-9 vs the Packers? Your excuse?
            The Bears still suck Erik!

          • Rocky Dastaley

            A Packer fan talking about ZERO quality depth at QB, RB, and WR??? What happened when your QB went down, millerforrest? LMAO worst team in football, that’s what happened. And now you’re going to sit here and say that Rodgers has NEVER had the wide receivers to throw to like Cutler??? Are you delusional, son? Cutler’s #1 wide receiver for 3 years in Chicago was “the Devin Hester project”, and he still made it to the NFCCG. Rodgers inherited a stable of receivers that Favre called “probably the most talented group I’ve ever played with.” No one in there right mind would say that Rodgers has never had wide receivers…. that’s complete nonsense.

            Chicago’s defense, although missing many key starters, intercepted Rodgers TWICE last season in Chicago. Rodgers’s passer rating was 85.2. What did Cutler do? He had a passer rating of 103.8 and had the lead in the 4th quarter, even after the gift-wrapped “fumble” touchdown padded Green Bay’s score with 7 points. Chicago’s defense gave the game away and Cutler threw his ONLY interception of the game on a 65 yard hail mary with no time left. If Chicago’s defense got one stop on fourth down (out of 3 attempts!), Cutler takes a knee in victory formation and finishes the game with a passer rating of 121.2. Plain and simple, Cutler played circles around Rodgers in that final game. Your excuse?

          • millerforrest

            Yes, the Packers ha NO DEPTH at QB. Even GM Ted Thompson came out & said it was HIS fault for that. Bears picked off Rodgers twice. Once was CLEARLY the WRs fault as it hit him in BOTH hands and it was Rodgers FIRST game back in 8 games.
            I am NOT your son, ok, KID?
            If you are going to paraphrase what I typed, I typed Rodgers NEVER had a true #1 WR like Brandon Marshall! Rodgers makes ALL of his WRs better. Cutler does not.
            Are you really going to CRY about missing starters due to injury KID? The Packers are the 3rd MOST injured team (behind only the Colts and NY Giants) the past 3 years. Under Lovie, the Bears were relatively injury free. Last year, the Bears finally suffered some injuries but now you wanna cry about it? Did you not notice all the starters the Packers were missing?
            If if’s and butts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas KID. If Calvin Johnson’s TD was ruled a TD in the end zone 4 years ago, the Bears playoff streak would be longer than 3!
            And you don’t think the TD that Marshall caught in last seasons finale was a bit lucky? Oh that’s right, everything the Bears do is SKILL but what happens to other teams is LUCK? The Bears are supposed to win all the close games they win but when they lose close games, theres always a excuse right KID?
            Bottome line is and always will be one thing and one thing alone….. THE FINAL SCORE!

          • Rocky Dastaley

            Millerforrest writes about Jay Cutler: “Interceptions are interceptions. QBs get the blame for any & all INTs.”

            Millerforrest writes about Aaron Rodgers: “Bears picked off Rodgers twice. Once was CLEARLY the WRs fault as it hit him in BOTH hands and it was Rodgers FIRST game back in 8 games.”

            LMAO, Millerforrest, what a complicated set of rules you have for discussing football. Which is it, SON? I knew the excuses would start flowing as soon as I compared Rodgers and Cutler’s stats from last year, but WOW I didn’t expect you to start whining like a baby who just got his candy taken away.

            And for the record, sonny-boy, I wasn’t making excuses about injuries. I said Chicago’s defense was missing key starters. That’s a fact. They were statistically the worst defense in the history of the Chicago Bears franchise, all the way back to 1920. And they still picked off Aaron Rodgers twice. That’s a fact, son. Deal with it.

          • millerforrest

            Hey KID…..I was trying to relate to you in YOUR language. Injuries? Missing starters? How many KEY STARTERS do you think the Packers were missing when they played the Bears? You brought up the INT that Cutler threw at the end of the game so in comparison, when a receiver has a ball hit him in BOTH hands shouldn’t count against the QB like the hail mary INT that Cutler threw at the end of the game.You cannot have it BOTH WAYS KID. funny how Bear fans think they were skilled in winning close games but the close losses, they are either attributed to injuries, bad calls by the refs or just plain luck by the other team. What a joke just like the Bears are. Lets see Cutler have similar stats to Rodgers or even to McCown last year. McCown had 13 TDs and 1 INT vs Cutlers 19 TDs and 12 INTs. Plus McCowns QBR was 20 points higher, his completeion % was higher too. Cutler is not nor ever will be an ELITE QB like Rodgers.

          • Rocky Dastaley

            Carry on my wayward son, carry on. There’ll be peace when you are done. Lay your weary head to rest. Don’t you cry no more. There there, little baby, you going to be ok?

            Lol, how many KEY STARTERS were the Packers missing in week 17? On offense or on defense?

            On offense they were missing Jermichael Finley. I know, I know, there are apparently better Offensive Tackles on the Packers who can’t ever seem to get on the field, but whatever, that O-line had been playing 16 games together, they’re considered the starting unit by that point and should have decent chemistry. On offense, the Bears lost their starting right tackle on the first play of the game and had to put in a back-up, a guy who hadn’t played a snap all season. No chemistry whatsoever. Still, Cutler was sacked only once.

            On defense? The Packers were missing Clay Matthews, he of the constant broken thumbs and owwies on his hamstrings. Poor baby Clay. Other than that? No one of significance. Brad Jones practiced all week and was probable, for some reason he was a healthy scratch by the coaches. Not an injury. A 2nd year D-back who was “supposed to be a breakout candidate?” Yawn. Let’s talk about real problems. PRO-BOWL 3-TECHNIQUE DT Henry Melton, on IR. His back-up at the 3-tech, Nate Collins, on IR. The starting MLB, DJ Williams, on IR. PRO-BOWL CB Charles Tillman, on IR. Starting Nickelback Kelvin Hayden on IR. 3rd Stringers and Practice Squad players in the D-line rotation, a rookie in the middle LB, 2nd string corner and nickel corner, and the CAPTAIN of the defense, PRO-BOWL WLB LANCE BRIGGS playing in a shoulder harness after missing 7 games with a broken shoulder.

            But somehow, after YOU said first that the Packers were missing KEY STARTERS on defense, somehow YOU have a problem with ME saying that the Bears were missing KEY STARTERS on defense??? I ASK AGAIN, ARE YOU DELUSIONAL, SON?

            About the interceptions, both of those quotes are yours. You blame Cutler for every interception he throws, no matter the circumstance. But for Rodgers you want to make excuses and blame the wide receivers. That’s fine, some people just have to go through life as hypocritical fools who change their own rules whenever it’s convenient. Apparently, you are one of those hypocritical fools. So thank your lucky stars that you aren’t my son, because if you were, I’d have whipped that pathetic character trait out of you a long, long time ago. You’d still be wincing every time you sat down, KID.

          • millerforrest

            You are even dumber than dumb which is dumbfounding!
            All arguments aside, the bottom line is the Bears ALWAYS LOSE TO THE Packers when it matters most! Enjoy the losing streak as it continues!

          • Rocky Dastaley

            Nice comeback, about what I expected from someone on your level. It never fails, facts have a way of popping the delusional bubbles that people choose to live in, and suddenly they don’t want to talk about it anymore. THE BOTTOM LINE is you’re a fool, and you know as much about football as the typical 13 year old girl who wears an Aaron Rodgers jersey because she thinks he’s cute and heard that they won the Superbowl. In case you can’t figure out what that means, it means you’re an average Packer fan.

          • millerforrest

            Typical blind Bears fan who wont listen to any reason & sees things only thru blue/orange colored glasses. Facts are facts.
            Packers – 5 straight playoffs with a Super Bowl win and 3 straight NFC North titles. 2 of the past 4 years the Packers ended the Bears season. 4 Super Bowl wins against 1 Super Bowl loss. 13 NFL Championships.
            Bears – 3 straight years of missing the playoffs. 1 win (1985) in Super Bowl and 1 loss in Super Bowl. 9 NFL Championships.
            Super Bowl trophy is named after who again?
            Game. Set. Match.

          • Rocky Dastaley

            Lombardi. An amazing coach, no doubt about it, and the ONLY reason the Packers have the most championships. He delivered the best 9 year coaching period any team has ever seen, with 5 championships in 7 years – which is insane. Without Lombardi, Green Bay only has 8 championships and 2 Superbowl wins… quite a difference.

            But if you want to have a historical argument, Green Bay also has the worst 25 year period of any football team – from 1968 to 1992, they weren’t just bad, they were pathetic. They had only 5 TOTAL winning seasons – and only 2 playoff appearances – one of which was the 1982 strike-shortened season that the Packers finished 5-3-1. In 25 years, they only won 1 single playoff game – again in the 1982 strike-shortened season. Never before or since has there been a team that terrible for that long.

            The Bears have 9 championships – the most of any team who didn’t win 5 titles in 7 years. The Bears have the most wins of any NFL team. They have the highest overall winning percentage. They have the most undefeated seasons. They have the most players in the Hall of Fame. They have the most retired jerseys. They have the most NFL records. They have the undisputed greatest defense of all time. They have the undisputed greatest running back of all time. They have the undisputed greatest return man of all time.

            But you’re right… the Packers have 3 straight NFC North titles. Impressive.

          • millerforrest

            Now you’re talking sense. I grew up as Packers fan when Ted Hendricks was playing linebacker and John Brockington was their running back & John Hadle was their QB. I had to endure that 25 year stretch of losing consistently. So us fans who endured through the losing times really appreciate the 20+ years now of winning.
            But you cant go back & cherry pick by saying without Lombardi, Packers have less titles. That’s like saying without Halas, the Bears wouldn’t have as many either.
            But you are spot on and its especially nice coming from a Bears fan, that Lombardi’s stretch was very incredible.
            I do know the story of how Halas bailed out the Packers financially & I know how the Packers returned the gesture by helping Halas make payroll by loaning him $1500.
            The ’85+ Bears SHOULD have been a dynasty. They were the best defense I ever saw even better than the Baltimore Ravens & Seattle Seahawks. When the Bears “D” went on the field, you could see the other teams offense was SCARED.

          • Erik Lambert

            That’s fine miller. Keep rubbing it in while you can. Feels good, doesn’t it? I’m just curious. How does does it sound hearing that clock ticking, knowing your team is running out of chances to win another Super Bowl? What is it now? Three-straight division titles and one playoff victory to show for it (over a weak Vikings team)?

            I’m not defending Jay at all. I’m merely pointing out the reality that pinning every interception on him is wrong. I never said he was elite, EVER. Looking back through every article I’ve written and comment I made and you will not find a single mention of him being elite. He is who he is. Is he elite? No. Can the Bears win a Super Bowl with him? Absolutely.

            It really doesn’t matter what his record is against the Packers because that is history. It is pointless to the present. All that matters is what his record is against them for 2014.

            And FYI, you have an elite receiver. His name is Jordy Nelson. I’m surprised. I thought you Green Bay fans were supposed to be loyal.

          • millerforrest

            Time is running out? LOL How do you figure that? Rodgers is just 30 years old. Look what Manning did last year at what age? And remember, Jay Cutler is 9 months OLDER than Rodgers! So in reality, its the Bears whos clock is ticking.
            BTW, according to all Bear fans, Jordy is no clear #1 receiver and definitely not near Marshall.
            3 straight NFC North wins and yes, only 1 payoff win. But to beat Chicago in Chicago to not only win the NFC Packers Division, er, I mean the NFC North Division, but to knock the Bears out IN Chicago (again like the NFC Championship game) is PRICELESS!

          • Erik Lambert

            How many more years do you think the Packers can survive on low picks in the top rounds? Rodgers has covered up a lot of the problems that have begun to surface with that team, namely their diminishing stash of front line talent. Not to mention those hits he keeps taking are starting to take a toll. Matthews can’t stay healthy either.

            I don’t care if you beat us in Chicago last year. Fine, whatever. We get higher picks to keep building and as long as you keep blowing it in the playoffs, it won’t matter. You do realize it’s been four years since that NFC title game. These teams are vastly different. We beat you once last year and should’ve beaten you the second time. That talent gap everybody is talking about is disappearing fast.

          • millerforrest

            Low picks? You sound as if the higher the pick, the better the talent. So why did the Bears pass on Aaron Rodgers and take Cedric Benson? Oh, what about the Packers 4th round pick last year LT David Bakthari? 2 years ago it was Mike Daniels. The higher draft picks only means your team was not SUCCESSFUL the season prior. The Packers have made the playoffs FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS. The Bears? The Bears have MISSED 3 STRAIGHT!
            So how has having the higher draft pick done for the Bears?
            Oh, and passing on Eddie Lacy? LOL
            How about Casey Hayward?
            4 years since the Packers K.O.’d the Bears in Chicago for the right to play in the Super Bowl. The Bears have not been back to the playoffs since that game. That’s gotta hurt all Bear fans. Packer fans are sick & tired of hearing Bear fans cry “Wolf” every year that this will be the year the Bears are finally better than the Packers. Stop talking the talk because the Bears have not walked the walk. Until they do, as Archie Bunker would say “Stifle it!”

          • millerforrest

            Chicago has ZERO quality depth on offense at QB, RB, WR & OL. They better not suffer any injuries to QB, RB or WR.

  • franklingray

    We will see the 3rd preseason game when the starters come off the field after 3 quarters. Last year Seattle killed Denver so I knew they would kill them in the SB. I was hoping all throughout the playoffs Seattle would lose to somebody but nope :(

    Chicago and Cutter is totally different than Manning. Cutler waits until his receiver is open and then burns it in there and if nobody open, then he just burns it into BM anyway :) In otherwords, I’ll take Cutler against Seattle over Peyton anyday. Two totally different QBs that match up differently (not saying Cutler is better than Peyton).

    • Erik Lambert

      I stated before Peyton’s incredible success is built on rhythm, timing and precision. That’s perfect for the regular season, but in the playoffs when the defenses get better and more physical, it becomes a problem. That is why the historically best offenses haven’t won Super Bowls.

    • millerforrest

      Yeah you knew it. That’s why you wagered how much in Vegas on it?

  • anon76returns

    I’m fairly convinced that it’s better to go opposite on Seattle’s secondary- beat them with speed and quickness. Broncos may have had a precision attack, but DT actually did fight against the physical play (he was tackled well before the ball arrived on the Broncos’ lone TD). Sherman I think matches well with size, but very poorly with speed. If you have a guy that can use quickness at the LOS to beat press-man, I think Sherman (and Maxwell) will struggle.